tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post4589618312183156866..comments2024-03-28T09:20:06.188+02:00Comments on nicu's FOSS'n'stuff: I worship Satan (NOT) and the community must do so (again, NOT)nicuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11787116898361050437noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-38877764450264786172010-05-08T10:32:37.161+03:002010-05-08T10:32:37.161+03:00A punctual reply about "13": if I had my...A punctual reply about "13": if I had my way, I would have embraced "13" and "bad luck" and playing on it... I don't know, lucky clovers and stuff like that.nicuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11787116898361050437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-34156760370986317372010-05-08T04:55:39.398+03:002010-05-08T04:55:39.398+03:00Nicu et all,
The point isn't about going agai...Nicu et all,<br /><br />The point isn't about going against no one, and specially not to place censorship about anything. I promote freedom at any levels. I don't care about religion, I was born a Roman Catholic and I walked away from it because according to some priest, my brother would be in Hell because he wasn't baptized (he died minutes after he was born). So I really don't. <br /><br />My point regarding Marketing comes in trying to tell people that we usually address to international cultures, as such we need to be careful with the contents. <br />About the signs, try to imagine a silhouette of both of them in black and white or see it at 150m distance. Where is the difference? The problem isnt what I think about it, but what others might think. Providing free ammunition to people to be used against us, bad idea. People are free ignore or not ignore.<br /><br />In the past as an example:<br />Mazda MR2 (France) : Mazda is shit (phonetics)<br />Citroen Picasso (Brazil) : Citroen Homosexual<br />Chevy Nova (Spain) : Chevey that doesn't go.<br /><br />As for symboly: Nike can a provide a good history on how a harmless logo raised all the Mouslin world against Nike (because it's flames logo resembled to the word "God" in arabic writting).<br /><br />Is this points are to be ignored and the problems they might bring... sure... I rest my case about it.<br /><br />My Ambassadorial withdraw, was not because of this, but because of something else. First I don't like people trying to scare me off being members of gangs. <br />First it was never my intention to join Ambassadors, and only joined because I wanted to organize an event. <br /><br />As many other times, I've already warned about polemics, and if I am correct, some good steps were taken. For example I warned the marketing list about "13". Curiously one of the first press news about Fedora started exactly with an association of "bad luck".<br /><br />I try to see things "out of the box" and I will report situations that no one expects or that will be against most people's initial thoughts. Not because I'm negative, but because it's my job. In a corporate world, people loose millions everyday because of tiny things like symbology. We don't because we dont generate revenue from our products (Fedora Linux). But it might harm the brand.<br /><br />It is was me placing that association on a controlled environment. Imagine the same association made on specialized press. It would harm brand notoriety. If people don't want to understand that... cool, their problem, I did my share of task.<br /><br />I hold nothing against the photo. In fact I said everything was cool about the Release Notes, but if it was me, I would swap that photo because of the symbology which could lead to attacks. And tried to show why.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-47784371470412256692010-03-31T21:55:53.986+03:002010-03-31T21:55:53.986+03:00Personally, I interpret that hand sign to mean &qu...Personally, I interpret that hand sign to mean "telephone".Alex Wauckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12976060605423801392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-5845182232384538982010-03-31T09:19:48.391+03:002010-03-31T09:19:48.391+03:00@Canoe: Wheat Gluten, Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, Ea...@Canoe: Wheat Gluten, Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny, Satan, Jesus Christ, are all the same, so why not? :D<br /><br />BTW, in my own language Satan is spelled as Satana or Dracul.nicuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11787116898361050437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-59128700967180417452010-03-30T19:22:14.288+03:002010-03-30T19:22:14.288+03:00Ms Duffy worships wheat gluten!? Awesome.. :)
htt...Ms Duffy worships wheat gluten!? Awesome.. :) <br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat_gluten_%28food%29Canoehttp://www.brokencanoe.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-21916104194351855102010-03-30T17:07:44.925+03:002010-03-30T17:07:44.925+03:00On the other hand, I feel ignored, when I specific...On the other hand, I feel ignored, when I specifically use <a href="http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2010/03/rock-it.html" rel="nofollow">the horns signs in conjunction with Fedora</a>, nobody complains about that.<br /><br />PS: I think they printed the photo and hanged in on a wall in their office, as at the time they worked together.nicuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11787116898361050437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-71518121180140639542010-03-30T17:00:06.055+03:002010-03-30T17:00:06.055+03:00I worship Satan (er, in my case, it's really s...I worship Satan (er, in my case, it's really spelled seitan) right along with you, Nicu, but I can't really bend my mind to read Samuele's gesture as being Satan horns. It's probably a 'hang loose' gesture, which is a very friendly Hawaiian greeting sign (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaka_sign) but with that photo I always thought it looked like a telephone gesture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_sign). I wiggle that gesture all the time at drivers who almost hit me in the crosswalk because they are talking on the cell phone!<br /><br />And heck yeah, I picked that photo for the release notes because it's a fun photo and those folks are happy! They represent Fedora well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-49754475501663601082010-03-30T13:02:21.194+03:002010-03-30T13:02:21.194+03:00I really hope Fedora doesn't go down the road ...I really hope Fedora doesn't go down the road of being so politically correct that it stifles any fun and originality that the community share. <br /><br />While the OP's comments are perhaps mindful of people who don't have the knowledge or understanding of other cultures, or even the open-mindedness to accept them, I still feel that pandering to every single whim is a bad thing to do. <br /><br />I really hope those who take offence at something so clearly just people having fun learn to lighten up.Canoehttp://www.brokencanoe.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-31332537359360958552010-03-30T11:22:45.907+03:002010-03-30T11:22:45.907+03:00Just an offshoot from your introduction: modern sa...Just an offshoot from your introduction: modern satanism is mostly a atheist or agnostic practice in that they're more spiritual and introvert than they are believing in a horned demon called Satan.<br /><br />This sort of LaVeyan Satanism probably has the highest organised membership, globally. There are several denominations, the first being The Church of Satan.<br /><br />I think most people would be quite surprised how compatible they are with The Church of Satan's mantras, statements and "sins".<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_SatanOlinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-16212790409847289542010-03-30T11:19:27.863+03:002010-03-30T11:19:27.863+03:00We had recently quite a few dramas with resignatio...We had recently quite a few dramas with resignations but I think I somewhat understand Nelson's point (even if I don't agree completely): he's not offended by the hand gesture, he's worried that some less enlightened people may be driven away. I guess that's what a marketer is supposed to do, he can't afford to say, like I can do, "I don't care about stupid people".nicuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11787116898361050437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-47412606526866587522010-03-30T11:13:15.290+03:002010-03-30T11:13:15.290+03:00I think that arguing and resigning over a photo is...I think that arguing and resigning over a photo is the most stupid thing i've ever heard, if you can't look at a photo and realise that someone might not be from your country and is from somewhere that the sign means nothing more than, "yo i'm happy" then there is something wrong...MooDoohttp://www.paulmellors.netnoreply@blogger.com