tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post6807724309140414816..comments2024-03-28T09:20:06.188+02:00Comments on nicu's FOSS'n'stuff: Religion and orthodox icons in Romanian schoolsnicuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11787116898361050437noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-33191344691233369392010-05-26T20:46:57.676+03:002010-05-26T20:46:57.676+03:00hihiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-10314911820256568692007-12-28T15:25:00.000+02:002007-12-28T15:25:00.000+02:00And how is this relevant to our discussion?And how is this relevant to our discussion?nicuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11787116898361050437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-7189642820901025382007-12-28T14:43:00.000+02:002007-12-28T14:43:00.000+02:00I was an atheist for the first 27 years of my life...I was an atheist for the first 27 years of my life. And now I am a cristian-catholic. I believe in God. I know, he exists. But it has to be personal experience of every man. Sorry for my english :O)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-58837575917776540082007-10-10T06:49:00.000+03:002007-10-10T06:49:00.000+03:00I think some people are so rude and don't respect ...I think some people are so rude and don't respect peoples opinions and beliefs. Shame on you guysAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-10873879240150915342007-09-28T19:01:00.000+03:002007-09-28T19:01:00.000+03:00"I walked back into the house, closed my eyes and ...<I>"I walked back into the house, closed my eyes and said:'God, if it's your will, send us rain'. Soon after it started raining.<BR/><BR/>"Now you may refer to this as luck or coincedence, but I have experienced it too many times. There is really a God and he really looks after us."</I><BR/><BR/>The Jews who walked into the gas chambers, praying for their lives, would beg to differ.<BR/><BR/>The babies who have been killed during tribal strife in Somalia and Darfour would beg to differ.<BR/><BR/>In the face of tens of millions of people who died at the hands of evil as they prayed to God to save them, how is the fact that you weren't inconvenienced by a water shortage proof of a caring God?<BR/><BR/>I'm not saying that God doesn't exist or doesn't care. I'm just saying that your evidence for those concepts doesn't stand up.<BR/><BR/><I>"If you don't believe in God, then please let those who do believe be."</I> <BR/><BR/>God's biggest gift to man... Free will. If you didn't want your beliefs challenged, you had the freedom not to read Nicu's blog.<BR/><BR/><I>"Remove this blog now."</I><BR/><BR/>As what may be the only American in this discussion, let me say something very American in response. "Fuck you and the horse you rode in on."<BR/><BR/>Or I'll say something very French and quote Voltaire: "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."<BR/><BR/>Just as you have the right to defend God, Nicu has the right to attack Him. And if God can make it rain, I think He is perfectly capable of defending Himself in this discussion. He doesn't need a reactionary dumbass like you trying to silence those who have issues with religion.<BR/><BR/>And remember, Nicu didn't start out criticizing God. Nicu started out criticizing religion, state sponsored religion, and the people who back state sponsored religion. And as a member of his society who has to live in it, he has every right to criticize those things he thinks are wrong with it.<BR/><BR/>That's what democracy is all about. Welcome to the 21st century.Greg Bulmashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03693995530672684253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-69405487700151794332007-07-17T13:13:00.000+03:002007-07-17T13:13:00.000+03:00Interesting read, it can (and did) generate a lot ...Interesting read, it can (and did) generate a lot of discuss in comments.<BR/><BR/>But I think I like better the <A HREF="http://shuzak.com/Replies.php?ID=6306&Topic_ID=63&t=Why-are-so-many-geeks-atheists?" REL="nofollow">discuss</A> in the "official" thread. (but both threads are LONG, a lot of passion...)nicuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11787116898361050437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-36005124057013891012007-07-17T12:44:00.000+03:002007-07-17T12:44:00.000+03:00Mdâh, here you have one article on "Why are geeks ...Mdâh, here you have one article on "Why are geeks often atheist?": <A HREF="http://m4th.com/Articles/Why-are-geeks-often-atheists.php" REL="nofollow">http://m4th.com/Articles/Why...</A><BR/><BR/>Comments here: <A HREF="http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/emergingtech/edge/archives/why-are-geeks-often-atheist-15510" REL="nofollow">http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/emerging...</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-38708552186323407732007-07-05T17:36:00.000+03:002007-07-05T17:36:00.000+03:00Ha-ha anonymous, this is a good one, like in the o...Ha-ha <B>anonymous</B>, this is a good one, like in the old paradox of omnipotence <I>"Can God create a rock so heavy that he cannot lift it?"</I>nicuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11787116898361050437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-90308725132941003002007-07-05T17:28:00.000+03:002007-07-05T17:28:00.000+03:00Jacobus: "Remove this blog now. "Ask God to do thi...Jacobus: "Remove this blog now. "<BR/><BR/>Ask God to do this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-68978870336399386042007-07-04T15:01:00.000+03:002007-07-04T15:01:00.000+03:00Jacobus said...> I aggree that no man should force...<B>Jacobus</B> said...<BR/><I>> I aggree that no man should force his<BR/>> religion down on another. So we aggree<BR/>> on that. I do however feel that schools<BR/>> with a religious undertone should be<BR/>> allowed to practice their religion, <BR/>> but people should not be forced to <BR/>> study there.</I><BR/><BR/>Did you read my original post? I complained about <B>public</B> schools, those funded with <B>my</B> money...<BR/><BR/><I>> I think it is ralely the religious<BR/>> entities who are forcing religion<BR/>> down. It may be political or driven<BR/>> for other reasons...?</I><BR/><BR/>As shown in the graph I posted in the article, this is a country with a huge majority of Christians, so of course the politicians do anything to please their voters.<BR/><BR/>Also is was (ans still is) a trend in the after-communist world: show how religious you are to show how anti-communist you are.nicuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11787116898361050437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-31744523121287815792007-07-04T14:19:00.000+03:002007-07-04T14:19:00.000+03:00I aggree that no man should force his religion dow...I aggree that no man should force his religion down on another. So we aggree on that. I do however feel that schools with a religious undertone should be allowed to practice their religion, but people should not be forced to study there.<BR/><BR/>I think it is ralely the religious entities who are forcing religion down. It may be political or driven for other reasons...?<BR/><BR/>Let's leave it at that for now ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-3841532303880324532007-07-04T12:50:00.000+03:002007-07-04T12:50:00.000+03:00Jacobus said...> Stick to something you know. You ...<B>Jacobus</B> said...<BR/><I>> Stick to something you know. You can</I><BR/><BR/>I believe this is what I do.<BR/><BR/><I>> tell us what it is like to be a <BR/>> non-believer, and we can tell you <BR/>> what it is like to be a believer.</I><BR/><BR/>Thanks for the offer, but I am surrounded by religious people, so I have whom to ask if I feel the need.<BR/><BR/><I>> Don't tell God fearing people what <BR/>> the rules of our religion is.</I><BR/><BR/>Look, religion classes in schools <B>is</B> something people <B>forces</B> others to do, me ranting about whatever I want in my personal blog is <B>not</B> forcing you to read it or to change your beliefs.<BR/>You are the one trying to tell me what to think and what to write on my blog.<BR/><BR/><I>> Freedom of speech does not mean you<BR/>> can go about in an offensive manner<BR/>> - One should always practice contraint.</I><BR/><BR/>Naturally, the definition of "offensive" is subjective, each of us will understand offensiveness to his own scale, but my rants are not directed to <B>you</B> and I don't think they are offensive.<BR/>If you think I promote hate speech, feel free to report to whatever authorities you think necessary, even to the blogging service I use, I am confident I don't to anything wrong.<BR/><BR/><I>> Your blog is one sided and makes a<BR/>> mockery of Christian and most other</I><BR/><BR/>This is the definition of a personal blog, to be one sided and show his owner view of the world.<BR/><BR/>And how about your intolerance of not permitting any negative opinion about your religion?<BR/><BR/>If I would be as one sided as you claim, I could close the comments on this blog or delete the comments I don't like (I have the felling this what you would do on your blog). <BR/><BR/><I>> religions. It is blasphemous and <BR/>> offensive. It becomes clear that</I><BR/><BR/>As I said above, what is offensive and blasphemous is relative.<BR/>I may find offensive the religious pressure.<BR/><BR/><I>> you have a self-centered lookout <BR/>> on life, and that you are not open <BR/>> for reason. Your should take </I><BR/><BR/>And <B>you</B> are open for reason? In all your honesty, is there <B>any</B> argument which would make you change your religion? <BR/><BR/><I>> critisism constructively and take <BR/>> life more seriously.</I><BR/><BR/>Well, if you are right, I will spend my entire afterlife in Hell, paying for all my blasphemies. Why don't you leave me support the consequences of my actions?<BR/>And if any true Christian will read my blog, it is like Satan is testing his faith, he will resist the temptation and go to Heaven. Otherwise, he is not a true believer and does not deserve salvation...<BR/><BR/>Oh, and feel free to open your own blog and spread your gospel there. I promise I won't go there and flame you.nicuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11787116898361050437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-50043082634140069122007-07-04T11:51:00.000+03:002007-07-04T11:51:00.000+03:00Stick to something you know. You can tell us what ...Stick to something you know. You can tell us what it is like to be a non-believer, and we can tell you what it is like to be a believer. Don't tell God fearing people what the rules of our religion is.<BR/><BR/>Freedom of speech does not mean you can go about in an offensive manner - One should always practice contraint.<BR/><BR/>Your blog is one sided and makes a mockery of Christian and most other religions. It is blasphemous and offensive. It becomes clear that you have a self-centered lookout on life, and that you are not open for reason. Your should take critisism constructively and take life more seriously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-54902267312916180332007-07-04T10:03:00.000+03:002007-07-04T10:03:00.000+03:00Jacobus said...> Nicu, I've grown up in God fearin...<B>Jacobus</B> said...<BR/><I>> Nicu, I've grown up in God fearing <BR/>> family. At times I wondered.... what<BR/>> if God does not exsist?<BR/>> <BR/>> Every time I found proof that God <BR/>> does indeed exist. Here is my most <BR/>> recent example:<BR/>><BR/>> I walked back into the house, closed<BR/>> my eyes and said:"God, if it's your <BR/>> will, send us rain". Soon after it <BR/>> started raining.</I><BR/><BR/>For any such anecdote, there are much more anecdotes showing the contrary.<BR/><BR/><I>> Now you may refer to this as luck or<BR/>> coincedence, but I have experienced <BR/>> it too many times. There is really <BR/>> a God and he really looks after us.</I><BR/><BR/>So you are a saint or something?<BR/>This is contrary to the religious doctrine: you should believe without asking for a proof, otherwise you are not a true believer (which doctrine is made on purpose, as the proof can't be given by an non-existent divinity).<BR/><BR/><I>> If you don't believe in God, then <BR/>> please let those who do believe be.</I><BR/><BR/>And how I don't let you believe in any god? I have not forced you to come to this blog, read it or even post a reply.<BR/>As you are free to claim your religious beliefs, I am equally so. As long as we don't <B>force</B> our opinions to each other (and back to the main idea of my blog post, icons and religion classes in public schools <B>is</B> forcing religious beliefs).<BR/><BR/><I>> Through your blog you are slandering <BR/>> the Name of my God. Remove this blog<BR/>> now.</I><BR/><BR/>You crossed the line here. You have <B>no right</B> to ask me to censor my free speech.<BR/>I am open and accept critics and opposing opinions from my readers, I expect from them to be equally open.nicuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11787116898361050437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-28475929571834027382007-07-04T09:51:00.000+03:002007-07-04T09:51:00.000+03:00Jacobus said...>Your misconception of logic is>mak...<B>Jacobus</B> said...<BR/><I>>Your misconception of logic is<BR/>>making Einstein out to be stupid.</I><BR/><BR/>Why so? Because he had religious beliefs? One can be a genius in a field and not in another.<BR/><BR/><I>> It takes more to believe in God <BR/>> than not to believe. It's not the <BR/>> brave who can go without God. It's <BR/>> the brave who walk with Him.</I><BR/><BR/>I argue the opposite: believing in a deity is the easy path, you take some answers from granted instead of using your own mind.<BR/>And ultimately, religion is our way of trying to accept our mortality by denying it (most religions promise eternal life).<BR/><BR/><I>>You must not blaspheme His Name.</I><BR/><BR/>Why?<BR/><BR/><I>> Nature has order. If there was noone <BR/>> tending to it, would there be order?</I> <BR/><BR/>The natural tendency is not to go from order to disorder? (increase of entropy, life, which is order is followed by death, which is disorder)<BR/><BR/><I>> Why don't you write a program that <BR/>> evolves into something better all <BR/>> the time. That should be quite simple<BR/>> compared to evoltion happening all by <BR/>> itself. </I><BR/><BR/>Is not that the future of software? All the Sci-Fi books and movies tell us so...nicuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11787116898361050437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-11709616445842567542007-07-03T23:04:00.000+03:002007-07-03T23:04:00.000+03:00Nicu, I've grown up in God fearing family. At time...Nicu, I've grown up in God fearing family. At times I wondered.... what if God does not exsist?<BR/><BR/>Every time I found proof that God does indeed exist. Here is my most recent example:<BR/><BR/>We live on a farm and get our water from rain on the roof. Ons Saturday morning I went to check the water tanks and found that we have almost run our of water. It's the middle of the winter and it hasn't rained for some time.<BR/><BR/>I walked back into the house, closed my eyes and said:"God, if it's your will, send us rain". Soon after it started raining.<BR/><BR/>Now you may refer to this as luck or coincedence, but I have experienced it too many times. There is really a God and he really looks after us.<BR/><BR/>If you don't believe in God, then please let those who do believe be. Through your blog you are slandering the Name of my God. Remove this blog now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-1786978226393926142007-07-03T22:28:00.000+03:002007-07-03T22:28:00.000+03:00Your misconception of logic is making Einstein out...Your misconception of logic is making Einstein out to be stupid.<BR/><BR/>It takes more to believe in God than not to believe. It's not the brave who can go without God. It's the brave who walk with Him.<BR/><BR/>You must not blaspheme His Name.<BR/><BR/>Nature has order. If there was noone tending to it, would there be order? Why don't you write a program that evolves into something better all the time. That should be quite simple compared to evoltion happening all by itself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-61694383148487080692007-07-03T21:13:00.000+03:002007-07-03T21:13:00.000+03:00Wow, so much intolerance towards the Christians. ...Wow, so much intolerance towards the Christians. Do I hear the pot calling the kettle black?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-61391755978643326062007-06-26T14:11:00.000+03:002007-06-26T14:11:00.000+03:00Updates: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?si...Updates: <BR/>http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/25/1937217<BR/>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/25/id_not_science/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-10502382860635697872007-06-25T08:34:00.000+03:002007-06-25T08:34:00.000+03:00Rui wrote:> If you had some reading on your own >...Rui wrote:<BR/><I>> If you had some reading on your own <BR/>> on the Bible, you shouldn't interpert <BR/>> it alone, my advice is to ask any <BR/>> questions in this forum: <BR/>> forum.catholic.org</I><BR/><BR/>No Rui, that would be the <B>worst</B> place to ask questions because the source is biased.<BR/>To get fair answers you have either to ask an unbiased source (if such thing exist) or to ask both sides and make your own informed decision.<BR/><BR/>Oh, another proof of you not being impartial: why should I ask in a Catholic forum? is this better than an Orthodox one (the local wing of Christianity around here) or a Protestant one?<BR/>Or maybe should I ask in a Jewish or Muslim forum, as both value the Old Testament as a holy book...<BR/><BR/><I>> But don't compare Santa Claus to Jesus<BR/>> Christ</I><BR/><BR/>Why not? I have the same level of proof for both<BR/><BR/><I>> Many early christians died on the hand<BR/>> of the Romans.</I><BR/><BR/>And many non-Christians died on the Christians hand in the name of Jesus and religion...<BR/><BR/><I>> They did know for what they died, not <BR/>> for fairy tales. This ones know better<BR/>> what happened in that time than us.</I><BR/><BR/>This is one thing I can't be sure of at all...nicuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11787116898361050437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-70008755093129743052007-06-24T22:21:00.000+03:002007-06-24T22:21:00.000+03:00If you had some reading on your own on the Bible, ...If you had some reading on your own on the Bible, you shouldn't interpert it alone, my advice is to ask any questions in this forum: forum.catholic.org<BR/><BR/>But don't compare Santa Claus to Jesus Christ. Many early christians died on the hand of the Romans. They did know for what they died, not for fairy tales. This ones know better what happened in that time than us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-54095902819166421042007-06-23T23:42:00.000+03:002007-06-23T23:42:00.000+03:00Religion is a plage, disease that must to disapier...Religion is a plage, disease that must to disapier.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-27897053436889829752007-06-22T14:44:00.000+03:002007-06-22T14:44:00.000+03:00People should learn about religion in high school ...People should <B>learn</B> about religion in <B>high school</B> (grades 9-12) only, and should this be for real <B>educational</B> (== objective knowledge) purposes, they should learn about:<BR/>* all the major Christian denominations (at least Catholicism; Orthodoxy; Protestantism as Lutheranism, Calvinism and Anglicanism; but basic info on Baptism; Methodism; Evangelicalism; Unitarianism; Pentecostalism too)<BR/>* Judaism<BR/>* Islam (Sunni and Shia)<BR/>* Hinduism<BR/>* Buddhism<BR/>* Shintoism<BR/>* other important religions in use in the respective country<BR/><BR/>This should be taught objectively, as when you tell about history, and this should be told to people when they're aware of Logics and Philosophy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-63714575835599069102007-06-22T13:25:00.000+03:002007-06-22T13:25:00.000+03:00Rui wrote:> About the lessons, how can you choose>...Rui wrote:<BR/><I>> About the lessons, how can you choose<BR/>> about religion if you haven't learned <BR/>> before? After learning, you can have <BR/>> really freedom of choice.</I><BR/><BR/>This is incorrect, because:<BR/>- in religion classes kids learn only a point of view, that of the "official" religion<BR/>- kids have fresh minds and are naive, they are easy to be indoctrinated, for they is hard to distinguish fairy tales (Santa Claus, Jesus Christ) and reality.<BR/><BR/>So after being brainwashed in school is already to late.<BR/><BR/>And think about this: a kid learn in school about a religion, no matter what. His parent disagree with that teaching, he can't tell his kid the teacher are wrong because that may make the kid lose respect for <B>all</B> teachers.<BR/>Also, if the parent ask at the school for his kid to be exempted from that class, the kid will be treated as a pariah by its classmates.<BR/><BR/>PS: I had my own portion long ago of religion teachings from my grand-mother (back then when religion was not allowed in schools) and bible reading, those by my free choice.nicuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11787116898361050437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5797212.post-38118449337496479682007-06-22T12:50:00.000+03:002007-06-22T12:50:00.000+03:00Béranger wrote:I occasionally ask myself ho...Béranger wrote:<BR/><I>I occasionally ask myself how can so <BR/>many software developers know how logical <BR/>statements work, yet believe in God.</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, I have my moments when I ask myself this too... but I think I got an answer good enough: software developers are people too, we have busy lives and a lot of geeky thing to do - fix computers, download porn, class advance in some RPG and sometime is just time saving to leave thinks in the blackbox.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and don't overestimate the software developers, the majority is in for the money and there is need and place for all kind of programmers, from geniuses to cheap labor.nicuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11787116898361050437noreply@blogger.com