The Girls of Fedora
Mwahahaha! I hope my centerfold-sounding evil title attracted many eyes, so I can point from a big soap box to the anti-girl scouts roaming around at FOSDEM in Brussels:
Am deschis!
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Is she a Fedora user, at all?
ReplyDeleteIf not, WHO CARES
they pretty much are part of our FOSDEM booth personnel
ReplyDeleteI get the sense they are just posing for the camera and have no idea what those buttons mean. Certainly, there isn't much further down you can go from antagonizing Girl Scouts. Seriously. GNOME 3 and the Girl Scouts program have absolutely nothing to do each other. Please stop conflating the two. I thought we were friends. The Girl Scouts program has nothing to do with 'taking Fedora away'
ReplyDeletethe photo is made at the beer event that traditionally precedes FOSDEM and sure they posed when saw me with the big camera... i know one of them from the last year, when she attended too.
ReplyDeletethe girl scouts are a metaphor, gnome 3 tries to make an interface more friendly for inexperienced users, like the girl scouts are or as Caroline was in your use case scenarios, and, in my opinion, harder to use for advanced users. the same happens for example also with the proposal to handle updates, make it simpler for inexperienced users but unfriendly for advanced users.
you make me say this here even if i didn't want to: i also thought we are friends, this is why i am unhappy to learn you used the team for your own agenda and i am unhappy you made me to choose which one of my friends to side with (and i sided with those i think are right)
You've obviously never interacted with a 14-year-old girl scout if you think they are inexperienced computer users. Maybe they've never used FLOSS before, but they are impressively computer-savvy.
ReplyDeleteHow did I use the team for my own agenda? WTF? What is my agenda then pray tell? What is an interaction designer's job if not to make software easier for someone to use? You want me to not do my job?
Whilst I appreciate your devotion to the girl scout movement I'd observe that the movement here in the UK is anti-LGBT.
ReplyDeleteIt seems that gay men can never be scout leadershere. Do you not agree that is wrong?
I like peanut butter.
ReplyDeleteHey Nicu, if you know that I have some issues, why do you add to them with all of this public Girl Scout bashing? How could you do that to me? Do you understand how hard I worked on that program? Why couldn't you pick something else as your 'symbol' for this?
ReplyDeleteAlso I think a lot of your issues are with GNOME 3, NOT Fedora. Why do you make these buttons about Fedora when the decisions you are upset about are upstream issues???
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, I really have no clue what your point is but in the United States where the GS program I actually did was, there are so such issues with the LGBT community. I suppose if water is poisonous on Mars then we shouldn't drink it here on Earth?
ReplyDelete@Máirín: The Fedora problem is mindlessly adopting as default and heavily promoting a software (GNOME 3) which is nor ready or not good enough for the task. You don't see me bashing KDE, Xfce or LXDE, even if I have my problems with each of them because they are not our default.
ReplyDeleteI know you worked hard for that program and consider it very good, if I had the opportunity I would keep a similar class too (right now the audience at my graphic workshops is university students and IT professionals), but you exposed them when started using them as use cases for Fedora design, like the website or the updates system.
@Nicu where did I use the Girl Scouts as use cases for Fedora design? Please point this out to me. I can tell you I brought up my experiences with them with respect to live USB media because THEY LOST THEIR WORK. I don't care if you are an experienced or inexperienced user - when the operating system disappears out from under you and you lose all your work, that is not only heartbreaking but unacceptable.
ReplyDeleteI don't understand how a friend could act like this.
@Máirín: one example from memory was when talking about the download button on the website
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ReplyDelete@nicu: Link to *Scouts bad driven class as ''argument'' of a bad proposal: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Duffy/Default_Install_Proposal#Advantages_to_this_proposal
ReplyDelete@mairin: Thanks for doing this mistake. I like a lot to learn of other people and my own mistakes, instead of saying other people is guilt of my lack of preparation.
Next time i drive a class using live Media, i'll provide instructions and space to letting people save their work in safe place.
The fail of assuming live media should support persistence reliably was yours Máirín. Not of anaconda developers, not of the whole Fedora project now driven by you to feature a Wubi-like-crap as default Fedora download, just for assuring you the peace of taking you pendrive bigger of 4GB as replacement of a liveUSB now fitting in just 1GB.
I'd love to writing you on your own site, but you are blocking my comments because i don't buy your lies about "Ownership". I don't go too with "Give back", because Fedora (TM) always has been *owned* by RedHat, not for any independent body.
Seriously, you should prepare better your next outreach approaches. There are plenty of resources at your disposition like the Sparkleshare servers you use for example. Even if i don't buy it's so hard typing 'git add . && git commit && git push', even this mono crap would be better than raging now into the preferred media for installing Fedora by the people doing that.
No it is not a gender issue, it's an issue against being naive.
Actually Girl Scouts help save the Earth... We work on projects to help with poverty, saving resources and cleaning the community. I'm only a junior and I helped start a Girl Scouts troop. We actually just raised over $400 to help with the poverty. Plus no offence but you're very rude! Just let me make this clear.. You are a horrible person! That's really all I have to say to this stupid nonsense.
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