On why GNOME got to suck so badly
Below are a few snaps from a FOSDEM presentation by GNOME's Allan and Seif about "how to trick a developer to being a designer":
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Wow, I find it highly entertaining that my name is on one of those because I don't consider myself to be part of the GNOME design in group, rather I feel rejected.
ReplyDeleteHey Máirín,
DeleteI put you there because for me on a personal level i always saw you as a designer and you know I always respect your opinion...
You are actually one of the first designers I noticed.
I wish the person who wrote this post actually discuss the msg of the talk and not just pictures to make GNOMErs feel bad about GNOME...
Let us stay positive
Hi Seif, it's cool, I'm not upset about it, it's just strange given recent events. I'm glad you still consider me to be a designer worth listening to :)
DeleteThe actual presentation was mostly fluff and jokes, little real content, and the little it was, it was wrong. Really, the GNOME 3 design is that bad, the only way to fix it is to scrap it completely and restart from scratch. If I would have commented that during the questions session, you would have dismissed me as a troll.
DeleteNot sure if you mean you feel rejected bc you not on the design team, or rejected bc you name is associated with the design time.
ReplyDeleteAnyways... I'd be P.O'd if my name was associated with the design team.
Gnome has gone to the crapper! The same can be said for recent versions of KDE, GRUB and Firefox as well. The recent versions UI of KDE and Gnome is so poorly designed it just screams "replace me!" Why should I have to do double the number of mouse clicks to navigate in Gnome over previous (major) version Gnome (same with KDE) - not to mention how buggy and fail it is because they often crash. Fortunately, we have XFCE - although it occasionally crashes and mouse stops working randomly, it is the saving grace for desktop users.
Why create Grub 2 when Grub was working perfectly. I want to add a partition and boot it - just edit 1 file and reboot with Grub 1. Now I have to edit multiple files and rebuild (that is if I can figure out what to edit). Uh...didn't we already have that with "lilo"?
Firefox - should probably be renamed to IE-Fox. I used to be glad to get away from IE and use firefox because it's UI was different and leaps and bound better than IE. But now...it looks, feels, and operates like IE.
Who is making these design decision? Micro$oft?
Unfortunately only some pictures were posted here without the full presentation. It would have been nice to see the whole presentation here!
Hi Nicu,
ReplyDeletemaybe I'm just a little slow today, but from the slides you posted I get a confused message. Does it criticize designers? Or coders? Or both? Does it mean gnome was designed by designers in the past, but then software engineers started to make design decisions themselves, or the other way round? If it's the later I'd just plain say the gnome designers suck, if the former I'd say "better listen to what designers say".
Your happy XFCE refugee, Martin ;-)
It was a rethoric exercise: at first Seif pretended to come from the viewing point of a GNOME design hater who later had the epiphany of the awesomeness of the team.
DeleteLame post. I would rather admire the people dealing with Gnome 3!!! I would not throw rocks!!! It is a big change since Gnome 2 that I used to like, but we move forwards, not backwards. I am convinced that Gnome 3 can be a great GUI in the future. It lack some functionality here and there, but IT IS VERY USABLE!!! I don't have icons on my desktop, but I have them on the left side. I got used to Gnome 3... I think it's fine... Instead of arguing, do something productive. My advice... Drink a beer.
ReplyDeletefor me it is a BIG step backward, i cannot relax and drink a beer because i have work to get done, which is slowed-down by the unusable desktop (actually i am still using the out-of-support fedora 14 with GNOME 2.32 to be able to get my work done)
DeleteNicu, you may want to try fedora 16 in fall-back mode. With a few hacks you'll get back our beloved gnome 3.2 functionality *and* looks. Really!
Deletehttp://ao2.it/it/blog/2011/10/19/gnome-3-go-shell-not-just-yet-thanks
Feast on it while you can, because rumors say gnome devs may be keen on flushing it sooner rather than later.
gnome 2.32, not 3.2...
DeleteNicu, Sounds like you may like Fuduntu.
DeleteSeriously we're still complaining about gnome3? The fact is getting "real work" done requires being able to open the applications you use, and I've got to say I've not had any problems opening a terminal or a web browser at all in gnome 3, and alt+tab has continued to work, what more do you need out of a DE? Seriously, what did gnome2 ever provide that was so special? Being a kernel hacker I may not have anything resembling a normal work flow, but as long as the DE doesn't crash and I can still open a terminal and a web browser it doesn't matter at all what the DE decides it's going to do. Fedora could switch suddenly to fvwm and it wouldn't make a damn bit of a difference to my ability to work as long as I could still open a terminal and open a web browser, if you are depending that much on the features of a DE then you are doing it wrong.
ReplyDeletei use my Linux desktop for photo management and editing, illustration, video editing
DeleteSo again I ask, why do you need a specific DE? I have a friend who has a production company that does video editing and such and uses gnome3 just fine, and you know why? Because the applications he uses don't care which DE he's in, they still launch. Did gnome2 automatically edit your images for you? Or did it have some sort of built in video editing functionality that I'm unaware of?
Deletei don't need a specific DE, i just need a DE that does not stand in my way and GNOME Shell does that, it slows me down: i don't have quick access to my files, i don't have quick access to my apps, i miss my workflow. that's why i am still using gnome 2.32 and considering a jump to either Xfce or Windows 7.
DeleteSome people like to see icons on the desktop. They actually like to pile up stuff there. Lots of it! It can be put in a folder, not on a desktop. It's like having 100 papers on the table instead of having them in the drawer... Depends on how you look at it. Gnome 3 has been just great. Keep up the good work! It's a step forward. And like my friend just mentioned...if you can open a terminal and a browser, you can do anything. Yes, you can! If you cannot do it, switch to Windows. Don't forget to pay for it! :)))
ReplyDeleteif a terminal and a browser are enough for you, probably you don't have the need for a DE, just use a Window Manager
DeleteOK, here's why GNOME got to suck so badly from a REAL perspective:
ReplyDeleteGNOME3 seems to be aimed at 3 markets, the Mac/OS X market which has been gaining in popularity lately, the tablet market which is/was big the latter half of GNOME3 development and netbooks which were big during the earlier half of GNOME3 development. Now, this wouldn't be too big of a problem if it wasn't for a few issues:
1. Most linux users don't like the MASSIVE dumbing-down that OS X does.
2. If people want something that looks/works like OS X, they'll buy a Mac.
3. Netbooks are effectively a dead market. They've been on a HEAVY down-slope since like 2010 and are effectively dead now.
4. No tablets are really sold using a full GNU/Linux OS.
So it looks to me like basically the GNOME people pissed off their core userbase to focus on userbases that effectively don't exist. Yes. Very intelligent.
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ReplyDeleteI really tried Gnome3, almost got to like it, then, I tried Gnome 2.32... and wow! Actually now I use Cinnamon! A fork of gnome 3 made by Linux Mint. It's still doesn't seem complete(did I mention its a fork of gnome 3), but is being developed very fast and is way more use able than gnome 3.
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