No party for you. Tradition cancelled.
As heart-breaking as it is to cancel a years old tradition (we started the tradition of gathering the community for a face-to face meeting in the very release day with Fedora 8 and continued it release after release, no matter what), this time there will be no Fedora 15 release party in Bucharest.
While there may be a couple of good to have features and a number of controversial ones, which some will love and some will hate, there is the abomination overshadowing everything. so overal there is nothing to celebrate. By the contrary.
As there must be a news item on the local community website, there will be one, a short Twitter-like status update mentioning the release availability and linking to the >spins website (when it will be ready), not the main download page, so people will get something usable.
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ReplyDeleteWhat's the beer fault ??!
We can call it "drowning our sorrow" instead of "celebration".
Ubuntu people accept changes and they celebrate the new interface Unity, Fedora (at least some of you) don't do the same with GNOME shell. This is because Ubuntu has better support than Fedora.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous not all Ubuntu users accept Unity!.. Actually I recon quite a few moved to Mint because of it (myself included).
ReplyDeleteI have been using fedora 15 for over a week now.
ReplyDeleteAnd I am getting used to it(maybe even liking it). Change is good. I admit that some of the decisions made where controversial(designwise). But overall the release is solid and I believe that given enough time the gnome community(that includes me and everyone reading this) will develop into something better.
I'm sorry that you feel bad about Fedora 15, but I think its a shame to shun it. There *are* spins that are available for gnome3 haters, but to discredit the works that has gone into F15 as nothing to celebrate is FUD IMHO. To each his own, I'll drink an extra beer for you.
ReplyDeleteNicu, I think you are going too far with this. F15 is a cool release full of interesting features even if you don't like gnome-shell. I for example invested a lot of time in Xfce 4.8 (and fixing the fallout of gnome-shell) and calling F15 a "skippable" release hurts the contributors like me.
ReplyDeletegnome 3 sucks.
ReplyDeletethis whole thing sucks.
not all ubuntu people accept change especially when the new is less usable than the old. i formatted my ubuntu partition last night. why would anyone keep a less useful, less polished clone of macosx.
Yes accepted that with respect to gnome 3 lot of hard decisions were taken. The desktop looks good but from the functionality point of view there are lot of things missing. I feel there was nothing significantly gained with gnome 3 not going in for rewrite unlike KDE which did a complete rewrite and was more or less in the same stage with the first release. But i feel KDE 4.6 in particular is just super cool and F15 which has 4.6 by default is a compelling fact to have F15 installed even if gnome 3 is not suited for prime time
ReplyDeleteMan, you're boring.
ReplyDeleteCare not about the ignorant filisteans my child... Attachmate will make redhat bleed!
ReplyDeletethere is a looong way ahead until RHEL 7, I doubt Red Hat will draw enough info from Fedora to fire the incompetents who are ruining Fedora and the feedback gathered after RHEL 7 will probably too late.
ReplyDeleteI have never posted here before and I am a simple user who likes to keep up on my favourite distribution.
ReplyDeleteIt is too bad you are damning everyone's contributions over the sake of desktop decisions you disagree with and are readily circumventable.
Your steady stream of poo-flinging showing up on Planet Fedora is a bit tiresome. Please step off your high ego and realize that there are a lot more opinions that go into Fedora than just your own. You are certainly welcome to your opinion but realize that just saying "This sucks, you all suck" is the kind of non-constructive opinion that will just have *more* people ignoring you in the future.
Some non-conservative design decisions will be failures in retrospect but some will lead to great changes. It is easy to wrap yourself in the warm blanket of mediocrity and take no risks. It is also easy to criticize without analysing. It is difficult to wait and see how things will progress. It is also difficult to try and take bold steps to do something different with people who are used to the status quo throwing wet blankets on you.
I hope that you start filing bugs and discussing the changes that you would like to see in a constructive manner because your current methodology is toxic to the whole project.
And I thought Ubuntu 11.04 was the only one that didn't get a release party :))
ReplyDeleteUnity is so bad that nobody wanted to celebrate it.
I suggest you de-list from Planet Fedora. If you don't consider yourself a part of Fedora, and if you have quit the various teams you were a part of, it's time to cut the cord.
ReplyDeletei am still on some teams and i don't give a shit about anonymous advices
ReplyDeleteNicu is toxic to the whole project, eh, anonymous passive-aggressive whining coward? And some anonymous bots don't want their precious planets polluted with non-group think?
ReplyDeleteGnome and Fedora must be built from egg-shells if they can't stand any criticism that's honest.
Nicu, I appreciate your views on Gnome 3, however, I think you are doing it in a very non-constructive way. No doubt you have contributed a lot to the Fedora community -- and I don't think you would appreciate it if others slung poo on your contributions. If you don't like the direction of somethings its great to write about it and to have it show up on the Planet, it's important that all views are expressed. Constructive criticism is awesome, but you are just painting all the work that has gone into F15 as junk and that is simply unfair and not true.
ReplyDeleteIf you don't like Gnome Shell and the direction of Gnome why not simply state that and the specific things you don't like about it and tell the followers of your blog and that you recommend looking at say the XFCE spin until things change. Why sling poop in peoples faces? Shouldn't you rise above that?
Despite your feelings on Gnome 3 there are some people who don't mind it. I have been using some form of UNIX for almost 15 years now and the days of endless customizations to my desktop are long over. I just want to work. Gnome 3 allows me to do that just as well ans Gnome 2. I never used the task bar anyways. I don't own a tablet or a small monitor, I have two giant 22" monitors and they work well with gnome-shell. I even like the fact that my second monitor is static -- it makes switching between music, mail, and browser easy while still keeping an eye on my terminal/screen session. Could things be improved? Sure. Is it for everybody? no. If customization is your thing gnome-shell probably pisses you off -- but all this FUD about gnome-shell being for idiots, non power users, and such is nothing but nonconstructive FUD and frankly arrogant. I have no vested interest in gnome-shell, I'm not a developer for gnome-shell. The choice to go with Fedora to replace my OpenSolaris boxes was simply the fact of my office moving from SPARC solaris servers to RHEL. I assume I would be just as happy with KDE as I am with Gnome 3, because the reality is I don't really care what my DE is -- so long as I know how to navigate around it.
In the end I hope that you move away from the name calling and turn to constructive input.
Mega-super-duper-stupid question: How can Fedora 15 KDE be a lot worse, or suck, compared to Fedora 14 KDE, because of GNOME 3? Same goes for XFCE guys.
ReplyDeleteXfce needs a couple more years of development to become good enough and KDE is... KDE.
ReplyDeleteKDE is KDE? Wow, that's some serious critique!
ReplyDeleteif i wanted KDE i would have used it since 8 years ago, when i moved to Fedora as my primary desktop OS.
ReplyDeleteWait...
ReplyDeleteYou complain about Fedora turning into a Girl Scout distro.
Now you complain because they are putting in Gnome 3, the (arguably) "bleeding edge" and definitely not a "Girl Scout" desktop environment until things get fixed.
Now is the time the Gnome developers need designers and UI people kicking their a$$ to make sure it is still usable or become more so in the future! Isn't Fedora the most direct route?
These are the times we need experienced, design contributors to make sure script-monkeys don't decide to make everything PINK and nobody's there to smack them upside the head!
@dragonbite: no, the Shell is designed with the very "girl scouts" in mind, it is made for computer illiterates. The fact at the moment is extremely buggy is orthogonal to the design.
ReplyDeleteThe GNOME designers are so full of themselves, they don't accept any non-laudative external opinions.
they (all) say "change is good" ... and usually it is, but i seriously doubt forced change is a good change. illiteration goes nowadays beyound computers ... and it seems to me people don't take history seriously, paving thus the path to repeating old mistakes. but hey, who am i to comment if others like beeing (forcibly) told what to do/use/think/eat/drink/a.s.o. ?
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